(and was that actually Chris Claremont in the sword shop)?
Could be and would fit with the earlier Stan Lee cameo, but if so, no fan before you noticed!
Not killing a ‘friend’ or even a person but a child.
So, if not for Matt, do you think Bennet would have done it? The answer to that is relevant for Mohinder's s2 arc.
Then there was Nathan breaking Hiro’s faith in ‘Flying Man,’ smiling and smiling and still being a villain.
That scene made me whimper. Big time. (So, retrospectively, does the funny scene in "Godsend" where Nathan teaches Hiro how to pronounce "villain".) Save of course for Charlie's death Hiro's biggest heart break of the season, I mean, one can see what Nathan means to him by this:
More complicated than that though from Nathan’s point of view and it ties into the essential paradox of Hiro believing his ‘destiny’ is to change the future. The whole concept of destiny implies that the future is set and that does seem to be what Nathan believes, he can’t change it but he can be prepared for it.
It's fiendishly difficult for me to comment on Nathan's pov on this without finale spoilers, so I'll limit myself to outward observations and a rethorical question. Firstly, the big paradox is that this heartbreaking scene is arguably the most intimate between the two of them, as Nathan gives Hiro the Petrelli body language treatment with the non-existence of personal space:
Secondly, here's Masi Oka and George Takei and the actor who plays Ted commenting on this scene for the podcast:
A: Those are my old stomping grounds. M: Yes. Of course, that's the stage, you were telling us… G: Mm hm. M: Where you caught on fire. (!!!) G: That's right. Yes and Bill Shatner…put it out! M: (overlapping) Bill Shatner was the hero. G: Yes, he was the hero. M: Adrian Pasdar's so amazing to work with, I… Every time I get a chance to work with him… G: You know, when you say this, when you say "Nei-san" M: Yea I know it's like… M&G: Big Sister! M: It's kind of like a little on purpose. Nei-san Nii-san. A: The stuff with you guys, too. I love watching you and Adrian. M: Yeah I love… every time we work together it's amazing. G: I thought you were suggesting something else by calling him Nei-san. M: Ahhhh! *both laugh* G: *to A* It's an "in" Japanese joke. M: I love… Adrian's choice here… when he uh… opens up G: Oh when he whispers? M: Yea, when he whispers and opens up. I just loved that. G: Yes, it's beautifully done, and then *waves* it's the politician again. He's a very very M: powerful G: a very subtle actor. M: *watching Hiro ask Nathan for help* Ah, hopeful, hopeful, hopeful, …hopeful… he says ‘I’m sorry’, comes in. A: Crushed M: I love that! G: Yes, and the camera coming in so close to his face… M: So sad… G: And then… *snaps* M: That smile. Ugh. We were both tearing up, I remember, when we were doing it. Aw, so sad. G: You know, I saw the drop of tear in your eyes. A: You know, it's interesting… the sort of softer moments with him come when he's working with you. Like, that character, M: it's cool A: with Hiro, you know? M: That's what I love about that relationship; that they can open up to each other.
Thirdly, rethorical question, and leading me to the second part of my reply: what, if anything, do you think did not happen in the 5YG timeline?
I
Could be and would fit with the earlier Stan Lee cameo, but if so, no fan before you noticed!
Not killing a ‘friend’ or even a person but a child.
So, if not for Matt, do you think Bennet would have done it? The answer to that is relevant for Mohinder's s2 arc.
Then there was Nathan breaking Hiro’s faith in ‘Flying Man,’ smiling and smiling and still being a villain.
That scene made me whimper. Big time. (So, retrospectively, does the funny scene in "Godsend" where Nathan teaches Hiro how to pronounce "villain".) Save of course for Charlie's death Hiro's biggest heart break of the season, I mean, one can see what Nathan means to him by this:
More complicated than that though from Nathan’s point of view and it ties into the essential paradox of Hiro believing his ‘destiny’ is to change the future. The whole concept of destiny implies that the future is set and that does seem to be what Nathan believes, he can’t change it but he can be prepared for it.
It's fiendishly difficult for me to comment on Nathan's pov on this without finale spoilers, so I'll limit myself to outward observations and a rethorical question. Firstly, the big paradox is that this heartbreaking scene is arguably the most intimate between the two of them, as Nathan gives Hiro the Petrelli body language treatment with the non-existence of personal space:
Secondly, here's Masi Oka and George Takei and the actor who plays Ted commenting on this scene for the podcast:
A: Those are my old stomping grounds.
M: Yes. Of course, that's the stage, you were telling us…
G: Mm hm.
M: Where you caught on fire. (!!!)
G: That's right. Yes and Bill Shatner…put it out!
M: (overlapping) Bill Shatner was the hero.
G: Yes, he was the hero.
M: Adrian Pasdar's so amazing to work with, I… Every time I get a
chance to work with him…
G: You know, when you say this, when you say "Nei-san"
M: Yea I know it's like…
M&G: Big Sister!
M: It's kind of like a little on purpose. Nei-san Nii-san.
A: The stuff with you guys, too. I love watching you and Adrian.
M: Yeah I love… every time we work together it's amazing.
G: I thought you were suggesting something else by calling him Nei-san.
M: Ahhhh! *both laugh*
G: *to A* It's an "in" Japanese joke.
M: I love… Adrian's choice here… when he uh… opens up
G: Oh when he whispers?
M: Yea, when he whispers and opens up. I just loved that.
G: Yes, it's beautifully done, and then *waves* it's the politician
again. He's a very very
M: powerful
G: a very subtle actor.
M: *watching Hiro ask Nathan for help* Ah, hopeful, hopeful, hopeful, …hopeful… he says ‘I’m sorry’, comes in.
A: Crushed
M: I love that!
G: Yes, and the camera coming in so close to his face…
M: So sad…
G: And then… *snaps*
M: That smile. Ugh. We were both tearing up, I remember, when we were doing it. Aw, so sad.
G: You know, I saw the drop of tear in your eyes.
A: You know, it's interesting… the sort of softer moments with him
come when he's working with you. Like, that character,
M: it's cool
A: with Hiro, you know?
M: That's what I love about that relationship; that they can open up to each other.
Thirdly, rethorical question, and leading me to the second part of my reply: what, if anything, do you think did not happen in the 5YG timeline?