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Or possibly. Neeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh! Because Bad Horse was an actual horse. Called Dobbin. For which almost anything could be forgiven.

Other stuff:

I think I read a book once that included an algebraic proof that musicals have happy endings. Movie musicals though - damm you Whedon and your stagey Sondheim loving ways. And also I bent over backwards defending Renee’s death, you can’t go stuffing Penny down there with the frozen yoghurts and not expect pain.

On the other hand Penny’s not so much the comic book girl in the refrigerator as her operatic equivalent. Her death doesn’t inspire the hero to great deeds but is an unequivocably bad thing with bad consequences of badness. Less Green Lantern more Sweeney Todd. Which is actually Joss’s style throughout– Rennee/Fred/Tara/Jenny’s deaths made Xander/Wesley/Willow/Giles into basket cases not heroes.

I can’t think of a better ending that wouldn’t have blown the budget on a production number and they needed that money for the horse.

The pacing actually works really well if you watch all three parts in succession.

My favourite bit is still the opening to part two with NPH just starring into the webcam for nearly a minute.

Date: 2008-07-19 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurashapiro.livejournal.com
I share your ambivalence. /:

Agreed that it was much more Sondheim than anything, and I like Sondheim, but I am so OVER the "woman exists to die so that man can be fucked up by it" plot. ARGH.

Date: 2008-07-19 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bradcpu.livejournal.com
I agree that it was Sondheim. But I'm watching through Whedon-colored glasses and *desperately* trying to see it as Boublil-Schonberg instead.

(*sigh* it was totally sondheim)

Date: 2008-07-20 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurashapiro.livejournal.com
Not a big Sondheim fan yourself, then?

Date: 2008-07-20 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bradcpu.livejournal.com
I like some of Sondheim's work. Big fan of West Side Story, and I love "Being Alive" and some of the moments in some of his other shows. Just generally, though, I prefer shows that are a bit more epic and a bit less intimate/subtle. Just a personal preference.

Date: 2008-07-20 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurashapiro.livejournal.com
::nod:: I think I'm the opposite of you in that regard. (: But I occasionally like a Rilly Big Shew, myself.

Date: 2008-07-20 08:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
That's it - I don't know what I've been reading/watching lately but it feels like it gotten into the water. MAKE IT STOP!

Date: 2008-07-20 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurashapiro.livejournal.com
I think the only way to make it stop is for us all to become executive producers...

Date: 2008-07-19 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abrakadabrah.livejournal.com
Who is Renee?

Date: 2008-07-20 08:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
One of the new Slayers in the S8 comics. She's present from the beginning but mostly featured in Drew Goddard's Wolves at the Gate arc.

Date: 2008-07-20 01:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] yourlibrarian
I was amused by the various members of the League of Evil, especially since two of them were Doug and Drew. But yes, I'd had it at Renee.

Date: 2008-07-20 08:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
It's interesting seeing the range of reactions. Part of my disappointment (if that's the word) has nothing to do with feminism, it's more like the reaction I had to Moulin Rouge continuing beyond the big production number of "Spectacular, Spectacular!" I'm a movie musicals girl, musical tragedy is profoundly counter-intuitive. That part gets better with re-watching but I really wish that if they do make a sequel it covers the same events from Penny's point of view.

random commenter

Date: 2008-07-21 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowanda380.livejournal.com
I am glad I have found another person who didn't hate the ending, I thought it was startlingly different, not what I was expecting for some reason, and I feel like I have to watch it again....so it is wonderful.

Re: random commenter

Date: 2008-07-22 09:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
I think it improves with re-watching, especially if you watch all three parts in succession. Can't wait for the DVDs!

Re: random commenter

Date: 2008-07-22 11:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowanda380.livejournal.com
and I haven't gotten the chance to watch them all together yet, I got them on iTunes, so hopefully I will soon, and I can't wait for the DVD either, yay for extras!

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