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Long and rambling thoughts about Buffy and weapons. With musicals! And cell phones.




Arms and the Girl – from Cymbal to Scythe.





Right from the beginning, when she discus-throws a cymbal to take the head off one of Luke’s disciples in The Harvest, Buffy shows a very distinctive attitude to weapons.


That's what's called resourceful

It’s not that she has a problem fighting with objects that are designed to function as weapons. The early seasons portray her being trained to use all manner of mediaeval fighting gear from the quarter staff to the cross bow and pains are taken to point out her natural aptitude for this aspect of her calling. Nevertheless, throughout her Slayer career Buffy seems constantly not to have brought the right weapon to the fight and is forced to improvise using random objects picked up in mid-battle.

To name but a few, in addition to that first season cymbal, there’s the thurible she lobs after Spike at the end of the big fight in What’s my Line 2; the gas pipe she ignites and turns on Laconis in Band Candy; the disabled blaster she uses to electrocute Maggie Walsh’s demon assassins in The I in Team; the chain she takes from the park fence to garrotte Snakey Wakey in Shadow; and the pool cue she flings at Sweet’s puppet henchmen in OMWF. By Showtime in season 7 the writers even have her making a special point of turning up unarmed and in Potential her makeshift tendencies form an explicit part of the fighting philosophy she’s shown passing on to the next generation

“Know your environment. Know what's around you, and know how to use it. In the hands of a slayer, everything is a potential weapon. If you know how to see it.”

So it seems that what Spike calls her resourcefulness is as deliberate a part of the Buffy persona as her blonde hair or trademark quippiness. Which begs the question why? One answer could be that, just as the blonde hair is a reference back to horror movies, the constant making of mundane objects into weapons echoes a similar refashioning of everyday paraphernalia in another genre of which Joss Whedon is a big fan, the Hollywood musical. Seeing Buffy using Anya’s wedding veil to strangle uninvited monsters or breaking off garden implements to dust the evil dead reminds me of a description of one of the classic set pieces from Singing in the Rain:-

“A whole batch of domestic objects is rounded up and danced with. These are precisely the connections that the great musicals are always making; our speech can be nudged into music; our way of walking can be edged into a dance; and the things in our house are all possible props for an improvised ballet” Michael Wood, America in the Movies

This is from a discussion of the Gene Kelly/Donald O’Connor dance routine to “Moses Supposes” but it could apply to any number of musical numbers in which the performers make use of props at hand to make the extremely artificial world of song and dance look natural and spontaneous. As well as distracting from the artifice involved in having people break into song, this use of everyday objects also helps to humanise the performers and foster the illusion that the audience could emulate them. In the same way that it’s possible to identify with a virtuoso dancer like Gene Kelly when all he appears to be doing is fooling around with a squeaky floorboard and an old newspaper in Summer Stock, it’s easier to put yourself in Buffy’s place when she’s poking monsters with a sharp stick than dazzling you with her skill at archery or her familiarity with Japanese akido terminology.


A Slayer must always reach for her weapon

Although one reason for Buffy’s reliance on improvisation may be to enhance her everywoman status, it seems unlikely that when Spike gives her this first lesson in not-dying his concern is that she’s not connecting with her audience sufficiently. In this context pointing out that Buffy, unlike previous Slayers, shouldn’t (and doesn’t) rely on specific weapons to do her job highlights the way in which this action heroine’s fighting style is used to express attributes of her character.

“Combat performances are the externalization of the protagonist’s inner conflict. In a pure genre work, the hero is defined by fighting skills….
A single pose or strike will carry many connotations that will inform the viewer about the character of the person performing that movement.”
Dave West on Buffy and East Asian Cinema in “Reading the Vampire Slayer”

What attributes of Buffy’s character are defined by her improvisational tendencies with weapons? Well, Buffy doesn’t play by the book. She flunks the written, follows her own instincts, thinks outside the box and remakes the rules as she goes along. When she departs from this pattern things usually go badly.

In support of this notion, some of Buffy’s most memorable successes are associated with an atypical use of arms. In Innocence she commandeers a rocket launcher to take out the Judge and in Graduation Day 2 uses Faith’s knife not as a weapon, but to lure “Dick” into a library full of explosives, thus exploiting his human weakness for the memory of his protégé. An example of the problems that arise from a more conventional approach can be seen in Prophecy Girl. Trying to follow the Codex to the letter she goes armed with a crossbow that proves completely ineffective against the Master.

The subject of the quote heading this section supplies a particularly illuminating case study. Compare the flashback fight between Spike and the Chinese Slayer in Fool for Love with Buffy’s final battle against Angelus in Becoming 2. In both cases the Slayer is armed with a sword and if anything the Chinese Slayer’s fencing skills are noticeably superior to Buffy’s. Both get into trouble when their weapons are knocked from their hands. The Chinese Slayer makes the fatal mistake of reaching for hers and momentarily loses her focus on her opponent. Spike, ever the opportunist, takes advantage of the opening and goes for the kill.

Now on the face of it, when Buffy loses her weapon the situation looks much worse. She’s backed right up against a wall and as Angelus puts it:

“No weapons, no friends. No hope. Take all that away and what's left?”

And her answer is “Me”.



They make me feel all manly

Buffy’s style with weapons, as well as humanising her and expressing her individuality, can also be looked at in terms of her gender. Contrast her use of arms with that of the male protagonist on the other show. Amusingly (if you’re twelve) Buffy keeps her weapons concealed in a chest while Angel’s are pinned to the walls, on open display to the world and his wife. Anatomical symbolism aside, the most interesting difference between the two shows lies in their contrasting use of that most blatantly phallic of weapons, the sword.

The image of Angel striding off to do battle, sword in hand is so iconic that it even seems right and natural when Angel himself has been turned into a three foot high felt puppet (Smile Time). The sword doesn’t just look good it’s effective. Angel uses it to decapitate the head demon at the TV studio and win the day. Buffy on the other hand seems to have rather more ambiguous relationship with swordplay. In the entire series run, I can think of only two instances of her marching off to a big fight brandishing one. For the final battle against Angelus in Becoming 2 and en route to confront Anya in Selfless. She wins the fight with Angelus but it breaks her emotionally and against Anya we get to see once again how non-fatal a sword through the chest is to a vengeance demon. Interestingly, in both confrontations sword-wielding Buffy is acting in a way that brings to mind a discussion of feminist ethics on the Tea at the Ford site, of which I reproduce a part here:

“In the 80's a psychologist, Carol Gilligan, researched moral reasoning & discovered that there are two basic frameworks, not one, that people use for moral reasoning, and there's a striking correlation between framework used and gender. The two frameworks are the "justice perspective" and the "care perspective".

People who use the "justice perspective" are impartial, use reason to determine rights and duties, and deduce moral behaviour from abstract universal principles. They're concerned with rights, obligations, taking responsibility, and see themselves as essentially separate & independent.

People who primarily use the "care perspective" are interested in preserving relationships and in learning to care for themselves and others; they think that emotions are relevant to moral life; they make contextual judgments based on individual people and situations; they are concerned with avoiding hurt or harm to individuals, and with working out responsibilities to persons. They view themselves as embedded in relationships and essentially interdependent with others.”
- Klytaimnestra in The I in Team: Buffy and Feminist Ethics conversation

A purely "justice perspective" has been associated with patriarchal and male dominated systems, while feminist ethics attempts to give both perspectives equal validity. In both Becoming 2 and Selfless Buffy follows a clearly “justice” based ethic (she is the law), chooses abstract duty over personal relationships, bears a “male” weapon and uses it to “penetrate” her opponent through the chest. So it’s doubly interesting that in neither case does this completely work out for her.


It is for her alone to wield

To summarise the story so far: Buffy has a ‘whatever it takes’ attitude to the tools of her trade. On a meta level this helps the audience to identify with her, on a personal level it emphasises her free-thinking and self-reliance and on a political level it highlights her gender and differentiates her from traditional male superheros. To borrow a term from musical theatre, it’s a triple threat metaphor. So why does the series end by casting a talentless hack in the form of an obvious Excalibur knock-off? Why the Scythe?

One place to go looking for answers would be weapon imagery in the episodes preceding the Scythe’s appearance. Are there any significant differences from the earlier seasons? In hindsight S7 draws a surprising amount of attention to the pointy stuff. Kennedy, for example, seems to be constantly demanding to be armed (Bring on the Night, Showtime, Get it Done). Right at the beginning of the season Lessons showcases three different forms of weapon; purpose-built, the sword and stake Buffy uses while training Dawn; improvised, the bag-fu employed against the zombie ghosts; and novel, Dawn’s cell-phone, which is twice described as a weapon. The idea that communication, whether by cell-phone or by more traditional technology, is an important part of a General’s armoury is hardly new:

In night-fighting, then, make much use of signal-fires and drums, and in fighting by day, of flags and banners, as a means of influencing the ears and eyes of your army. Sun Tzu in The Art of War

Despite this, communication is rarely used as a weapon in the fight against evil during BtVS 1-6. The only two occasions I can think of take place when Buffy herself is absent (the walkie-talkies used by the Scoobies in Anne and Willow’s telepathy in Bargaining 1).

In the episodes following Lessons Buffy’s use of improvised and non-improvised weapons follows very much her standard pattern. I’ve already discussed her deliberate eschewment of standard arms in Showtime and her use of the sword in Selfless. The novel idea of communication devices as weapons, however, rather falls by the wayside. Literally during her graveyard fight with Holden in CWDP, but at least that time she’s remembered to bring a phone with her. In Potential and First Date she fails to even do that. So although a new weaponry related theme is introduced in S7, it’s unclear that it’s going anywhere and hard to see the slightest connection between it and the Scythe.

What then is this new weapon, this ‘axe-thingy’ as Angel calls it, supposed to represent? In End of Days Buffy tells Giles that she ‘King Arthured’ it out of the stone rendering the Excalibur connection textually explicit. Like Excalibur, the Scythe belongs to the Slayer by right (“It is for her alone to wield.”), like Cuchuliann’s Gae Bulga, Buffy wins it after outwitting her opponent (Caleb) and like Thor’s hammer it symbolises the essence of the bearer (“It is your sword and your scepter.”-Fray). All too clearly it’s meant to be one of those special weapons that represent a hero’s unique heritage. Could there be a more traditional metaphor?

It seems that what we have here is an inexplicable throwback to much earlier storytelling themes and devices. But then, at the last possible moment, Buffy does what she’s always done. She improvises. She takes a reactionary symbol of individual birthright and uses it, not for its original purpose, but as a means for communicating her own birthright and sharing it with any girl who chooses to stand up and make that choice. The last we see of the Scythe in battle it’s being tossed from Slayer to Slayer and back again as if this were always meant to be. And, in reference to the original symbol for communication from Lessons, it even has a ringing tone.


Here endeth the lesson


Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a story about a girl. One girl in all the world with the strength and the skills…Through seven seasons of the show those skills have acted as a metaphor for her unique role and character. In the final season the whole one girl concept gets turned on its head and the metaphor too is transformed.

Date: 2005-04-01 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] superplin.livejournal.com
If I weren't sick and bleary, I would have tons to say in response to this essay, but I'll have to be lame and summarize with a great big YES!.

But then, at the last possible moment, Buffy does what she’s always done. She improvises.

This is exactly how I define the essential trait of Buffy, and what really makes her successful. I have a half-finished, semi-abandoned essay about models of expertise and how Buffy's ability to improvise and use intuition are evidence of her superior skill and what sets her apart from the dogmatic Watcher's Council, and another about communication that I wrote before S7 ended--but yours is much more entertaining, with its references to musicals, and Asian cinema, and feminist theory. Very cool mix.

She takes a reactionary symbol of individual birthright and uses it, not for its original purpose, but as a means for communicating her own birthright and sharing it with any girl who chooses to stand up and make that choice. The last we see of the Scythe in battle it’s being tossed from Slayer to Slayer and back again as if this were always meant to be. And, in reference to the original symbol for communication from Lessons, it even has a ringing tone.

Loved this. The tone! Such a great catch.

Wish I had the energy and brain capacity to say more. Anyway, this went straight to the memories, as it's exactly the sort of thing I love to read. Thanks for writing it.

Date: 2005-04-01 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
Thanks! It means a lot. And I’d really love to read your expertise essay when/if it gets done. This was great fun to sit down and actually write over the Easter break. I’d had a couple of the ideas percolating a while but it’s mostly made up as I went along.

It would be a better catch if it was true

Date: 2005-04-02 12:13 am (UTC)
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Buffy does not share her birthright with ANY girl, she only shares it with the elite few who are potential slayers. She does not share her birthright with any girl who CHOOSES to stand up and make that choice, she shares it with every girl who is a potential slayer and she DOES NOT GIVE A CHOICE to any of them outside Sunnydale. We even see on Angel that someone who did not have a choice about getting slayer dreams and slayer powers ends up killing innocent people. Buffy is really no different from the shadowmen who bestow power without giving a choice.

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Date: 2005-04-01 04:06 pm (UTC)
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The similiarities between the Chinese slayer's situation in FFL and Buffy's situation in Becoming II is something that has never once occurred to me, but now that you point it out it seems so clear! That's a lovely piece of insight, and recalling that moment from BII adds layers of importance to Spike's instruction of "a slayer must always reach for her weapon".

But then, at the last possible moment, Buffy does what she’s always done. She improvises.

I'm just going to echo [livejournal.com profile] superplin here and say YES!

Date: 2005-04-01 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
I’m glad you liked the FFL/BII thing, it’s one of the ideas that just seemed to fall into place as I went along. Plus I’ve always loved the “me“ scene.

Date: 2005-04-01 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swsa.livejournal.com
I'm in love with that FFL/BII comparison. Wow. Something that really does seem so obvious now.

And I'm also liking the comparison with Angel...going into battle armed and ready and how that tactic hasn't been nearly as successful for Buffy. But yes, it really is her adaptability, her ability to think on the fly, that makes her so easy to root for. And even I had issues with the lack of weapons in Showtime, but now you've made it make sense. Not to mention giving me a whole new appreciation for Buffy finding another use for the scythe in Chosen. Well done!

Date: 2005-04-01 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
Thank you! Angel and Buffy do have quite different uh cognitive styles. Which isn’t really a male female thing, I think Spike’s quite the improviser in his own way.

Date: 2005-04-01 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] st_salieri.livejournal.com
Ooh, this is lovely! I just had time to do a quick read-through, but I'd like to come back later and really look at it closely -- you have some great interpretations here.

Date: 2005-04-01 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
Glad you enjoyed.

Date: 2005-04-01 06:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] elisi
Skimming through my flist I saw three people reccing this essay and hurried over! I have nothing to add really (brain feeling fuzzy), but I absolutely loved what you wrote!

What springs to my mind is Spike and Buffy's first fight - "Do we really need weapons for this?" which is just so typically Buffy!

Also I wonder what you make of her dislike of guns. Too masculine?

Date: 2005-04-01 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
I think guns very much fall into the sword category: coded male and very purpose-built. We see less of them on the show than swords, the one time I can think of Buffy trying to use one it’s been handed to her by Riley (a man) and just isn’t helpful. Is a rocket launcher a gun? Ah well, I’ll just have to claim the rocket launcher is the exception that proves the rule.

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Date: 2005-04-01 07:02 pm (UTC)
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Here from Plin's recc. Great essay. I love how you show that when all of Buffy's innovative use of weapons falls away, leaving only the rock of the core in the scythe and only when the core is revealed, can the “me” be revealed. Buffy’s statement to Angelus truly realized in Chosen.

Date: 2005-04-01 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
I like the idea of Buffy being gradually stripped down to her essentials. It’s a little different from where I ended up going with the Scythe but my initial idea was centred around a feeling that most of the season had a Scythe shaped hole in it that was, as you say, connected to Buffy’s need to find herself again.

Date: 2005-04-01 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teenes.livejournal.com
This is excellent. I don't really have anything more intelligent to say in response to this, b/c you've done an excellent job supporting your points and I've got nothing to add. But I love the conclusions and parallels you draw, and I think this is a great piece of analysis. And like everyone else, that Becoming Pt. 2/FFL parallel was something I'd never thought of, but now seems so clear.

(BTW, do you suppose Kendra's attachment to a particular stake that she's even named "Mr. Pointy" reflects her rigidity and overreliance on tradition, and thus her weakness in her own inability to improvise? Am I right in remembering that "Mr. Pointy" was Kendra's, originally?)

Date: 2005-04-01 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
Mr. Pointy, good point! I was pretty sure it was Kendra's initially so I felt justified in not having to argue a way round it. And Kendra is also very proud of being an expert in all weapons.

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Date: 2005-04-01 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ludditerobot.livejournal.com
Followed [livejournal.com profile] teenes here.

I'm with you on the chest, but I always assumed it was a "hope chest", with all the preparation-for-marriage stuff removed and replaced with weaponry because being a Slayer, she no longer had hope.

Date: 2005-04-01 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
I'd not heard of a "hope chest" before, does the name relate to Pandora's box? And Xander does give it to her in the year when all her hope is gone. Shiny.

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Date: 2005-04-01 10:03 pm (UTC)
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Wow! Just wow! I don't have anything intelligent to add I'm afraid except to say what an insightful piece of analysis this was. All fascinating points from the Becoming 2/FFl comparison to Buffy's improvisation with the Scythe at the end. The Scythe has always puzzled me but that makes it all make sense. Thanks.

Date: 2005-04-02 06:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
Thank you too. It was fun to write.

Date: 2005-04-01 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ludditerobot.livejournal.com
There's another thing I thought of. Despite the "Army of One" phrasing, you do nothing alone in the military. Combined Arms, the ability to use artillery, armor, infantry and air support to complement each other. In Spanish, the show is Buffy la Cazavampiros and Spike calls Buffy 'Cazadora' which means "Huntress". She tends to ignore her friends and take on her prey alone, even when the others are there helping. She stood alone from her classmates in "Graduation". Her best backup (Xander in "Phases", Spike in "Dead Things") covers her back and keeps out of her way, and their actions against her current opponent surprise her as much as the vampire dusted. It's well and good to quote Sun Tsu, but I think that's the wrong metaphor.

Date: 2005-04-02 06:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
The perils of using google instead of actual knowledge. And yes the quote is a bit of a fudge, as is using the word communication in a slightly different sense in my final paragraph. Never could resist a good pun opportunity.

I agree that military metaphors aren’t appropriate for the way Buffy has actually worked. I guess I was trying to point out that there are other ways she could work, ones that less mystically endowed demon hunters (the scoobies and the Initiative) do use so the omission is deliberate. In a way S7 is about Buffy finally learning to move on from her lone wolf stance of seeing everyone else as either rescuee or backup. And she has other wolves to learn to hunt with now.

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You made a false statement

Date: 2005-04-02 12:00 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Buffy does not share her own birthright "with any girl who chooses to stand up and make that choice." The girls outside Sunnydale who become slayers are not given a choice, which makes Buffy no different from the shadowmen who wanted to give her power without giving her a choice. By the way, the one followup we got on this decision was an episode of Angel that showed that a girl with psychological problems became a dangerous killer, and innocent people died, because she couldn't handle the slayer dreams and slayer powers which she did not have a choice aboout sharing.

Actually, your statement is false for another reason. Buffy doesn't share the power "with any girl who chooses to stand up and make that choice." She only shares the power with an elite few, the master race of potential slayers who comprise only a tiny fraction of the total population of girls in the world.

By the way, Buffy had been sharing her birthright since the end of Season 1, which was the last time that she was the only slayer.

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Date: 2005-04-02 07:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
I believe I replied to your first paragraph above. Does the physical power to fight demons make one an uebermensch in the human world? I always thought it was notable that the most Faith managed to achieve for herself in her see-want-take phase was employment as a paid assassin, first for the Mayor and then for Wolfram and Hart.

As to the ‘tiny fraction” it seems we’re approaching the show from different levels. I take your point and I am guilty of overstating things for dramatic effect. Perhaps it would help you to understand my perspective if you were to think of the slayer activation as analogous to the reforms instigated by early feminists that opened the universities and the professions to women. Not opportunities that all would have the particular abilities to take advantage of, or would choose to, but an important new freedom nonetheless.

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Date: 2005-04-02 01:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avrelia.livejournal.com
Very cool essay. I am too asleep to think of something meaningful to say, but have lots of great findings here!

We can't ever stop finding new thing to ponder in buffyverse, can we?

Date: 2005-04-02 07:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
The show is dead, long live the show. I miss it.

Date: 2005-04-02 01:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] minim_calibre
Wonderful essay!

Would you mind if I linked to it in [livejournal.com profile] mutant_allies?

Oh! I see you already did! *g*

Date: 2005-04-02 01:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] minim_calibre
So, nevermind that. I'll just say, "wonderful" again and wonder how I managed to skim over the post in the comm...

(I think, like everything else in the world I miss/forget, I shall blame it on my pregnancy brain.)

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Date: 2005-04-02 03:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hecubot.livejournal.com
Lovely piece.

I'd also particularly note the episode "Helpless" as a classic episode of Buffy's ability to improvise. That episode is particularly fraught with the Council and Giles' betrayal, but suggests (at some level) that the Council (despite its rules) has had to recognize the ability to improvise as an essential slayer. The whole test is to see if a Slayer can improvise.

Date: 2005-04-02 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
Thanks! Helpless is a classic example definitely and does , as you say, portray the council as a potentially more complex entity than it might have appeared to Buffy at the time. One thing I like about Get it Done is the way it sets the Shadowmen up as evil rapist patriarchs but has that final moment when the last of them reaches out to Buffy almost like a regretful father and she does seem to understand, if not forgive, what they did after the vision of what she is (and presumably they were) up against.

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Date: 2005-04-02 06:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] midnightsjane.livejournal.com
Really fascinating essay! I came over on a rec from [livejournal.com profile] superplin, and this is one of the most interesting looks at Buffy I have read in ages. I think Buffy's improvisational skills free her and make her more effective in many ways. As [livejournal.com profile] hecubot notes, that ability was key in saving her mother and herself in "Helpless". One of the most powerful moments for me in the entire series is that one in "Becoming, part 2" when she realizes that she is the weapon. Thank you for a very enjoyable read.

Date: 2005-04-02 06:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] midnightsjane.livejournal.com
I just wanted to add that I've wandered around your journal, and you have a lot of really interesting insights into my favourite show. Mind if I friend you?

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Date: 2005-04-02 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] londonkds.livejournal.com
For me, Buffy's non-use of traditional weapons ties in to an idea I've had since S7, that some of the more conflicted aspects of BtVS come from it being a series that uses violent combat as a metaphor for all sorts of things, but whose makers tend to a standard-issue liberal pacifism. If we'd seen Buffy and the Scoobies going around armed to the tteth all the time it would have created military overtones which would have made it a very different show. On the other hand this does create logistical difficulties that can be seen as plotholes, such as why the Scoobies other than Buffy never seem to put in much formal combat training even though they arguably need it...

Date: 2005-04-02 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
I think that’s probably is part of the mix. Actually something similar got brought up with respect to the treatment of guns on Angel in the previous comments. Although if ME run both shows it kind of begs the question why standard weaponry is allowed to play much more of a role on Angel. Maybe the conflict expresses itself in another way – I don’t know Angel that well. Or possibly it’s seen as a less ideologically driven show. Didn’t Tim Minear or David Fury once say something along the lines that Angel was the show on which they got to just tell big epic stories without having to tie it to metaphor for any particular stage of life/growing up?

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Date: 2005-04-02 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com
What a great essay! I'm late to the party as usual (still no computers in our new house) but I really enjoyed reading this. Beautifully written, and I appreciated all the musical theatre references!

Date: 2005-04-03 09:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
Thanks! It was a blast to write once I got down to it.

Date: 2005-04-04 04:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spacedoutlooney.livejournal.com
Wonderful Essay!

I like the connection between Buffy using props to fight and Gene Kelly and the like using props in musicals. Neat.

there’s the thurible she lobs after Spike at the end of the big fight in What’s my Line 2

So that's what it's called? Huh.

Interesting that the only two times communication is pointedly used is when Buffy is gone. Hmm... I noticed the cell phone thing too in season 7. I thought it had something to do with Buffy isolating herself more and more over time, but I'm not sure.

I noticed some discussion above about guns. I compiled all the references to guns on Buffy here (http://www.livejournal.com/users/spacedoutlooney/86170.html) if you're interested. Didn't do it for Angel since they were much more common.

Date: 2005-04-04 08:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
Thank you.

I'm not saying this entire essay was written just to get to use the word thurible. I'm not saying that. My other half is a lapsed catholic and I picked up the word when we were courting. From him explaining what altar boys do. It's a good word, Thu-ri-ble.

[livejournal.com profile] ludditerobot had a great point above re the communication thing, that Slayers are archetypally cat-like. They hunt alone, they don't need to talk about it. So my argument would be that S7 is about cats growing up to be lions.

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